What I found worth of note in chapter five of the book stiff is that, the author will meet up with a man named Dennis Shanahan. Mr. Shanahan is an injury analyst; he analyzes the wounds and breakages of corpses. He worked in the case of TWA Flight 800 which was bound for Paris but on July 17, 1996 the plane blew apart in the air over the Atlantic. Within days of this tragedy Shanahan flew to New York to visit the cadavers to see what mostly happen to them. The results of what had happened to flight TWA 800 was that the levels oxygen where highly flammable and most likely caused the explosion and burns found on most the corpses. The biology concepts that were addressed would be the study of the integumentary system because this system is made up of levels of the human skin that were likely to be studied in the case of the flight TWA 800 due to the burns found on the corpses. Also This would be learned in our biology class because the integumentary system is made up of levels of the skin such as the epidermis, the dermis, and hypodermis (hypodermis is the inner most layer of the skin.) And because of the integumentary system is made of these levels of skin I would think that we would be learning about this in our biology course.
I liked a lot learning about the skin in this chapter. I find it interesting to know that our bodies have so many levels. In anatomy that will certainly be a topic we talk about.
Who could have known that a cadaver was use to see what happened to a cadaver in a accident. Its also shocking how if the body is in peaces that means that a bomb exploded.
This chapter in stiff show just how much biology can help in solving crashes. This is important mainly because the family of who ever was injured/or killed will be able to know what happened. Also the company that manufactured the part or vehicle can fix the problem so it does not happen again.From the wreckage as in stiff of flight TWA 800 the injury analysis was able to look at the wounds of the cadavers and the wreckage of the vehicle the cadaver was in and he was able to piece together what happened.He was able to do this because he knew what happened to the human body when different things happened.This all deals with biology because what the injury analysis did was examine what happened to the body and figure out what went wrong and killed the person and in biology we would learn about the human body and how it works.
I agree that this story mainly focuses on how biology is used in ways to determine crime scenes- mainly flight 800. It's interesting how the stories play on our bodies and it would be lovely to learn how to read the language. Though, Forensics is the study of the death of a person. Biology is the study of a functioning body and how it ticks, So- technically this is a more forensic chapter since they are collecting information on how they died. Though, Forensics would be nothing without biology, so you have the point there.
I also found scientists studying bodies to fabricate what might of happened in a plane crash quite interesting too. It can be used as vital evidence if necessary and how to improve planes.
I think that flight TWA 800 investigation was a revolutionary one in my opinion. It's just a perfect example how cadavers are an excellent tool to find out any clues about what happened. Any evidence or clues may not be present, but a cadaver will always be there to provide information whether it's in pieces or if it's whole.
I will definably agree on this, the more that we study on why a crash happened or why looking at evidence lying somewhere in an airplane can save lives and reduce the effects of a crash happening again.
I found this chapter interesting because it lets me know how complex the human body really is. And how you can stitch together how some people passed away even if you don't know anything about what happened. How Shanahan eventually figured out what happened to TWA flight 800 and he didn't stop until his predictions made since. He inferred that it wasn't a bomb because there were no pieces of the bomb or things around the bomb embedded within the skin of the passengers. It wouldn't be a missile either because the backs of the passengers was burned and the seats would have protected their backs. So the only thing that would make since is a fire, the seats was burned more than the passengers. The biology concept that was addressed is observation, research, and predictions which ate parts of the scientific inquiry. I am confident that this will be used in our biology course because in science the scientific inquiry is used on a day to day basis. Since I have been in school I have used it in my science classes and in labs which I'm also sure we will be doing a lot of
I agree that this chapter really showed the complexity of the human body and that there are enough factors in any death that show up on the body, that it is possible to find when, where, and how someone died.
I agree with what you say. It also surprised me how you can find out what happened, just by looking at cadavers from the accident. It really put into detail how complex the human body is, and how so much can be learned from it.
I agree with you that even a very small detail can lead to the outcome of the investigation and I agree that the human body is very complex. Also you did a good job.
I absolutely loved this chapter because of everything I learned about the human body and what things can be determined without even knowing what happened to the deceased. Knowing human anatomy and how the body can be affected and how it reacts to different impacts or events is a huge part of injury analysis, and vice versa. The way Dr. Shanahan determined a fire is what caused flight 800 to crash because of how the bodies weren't as burned as the actual plane and it's interior couldn't have been determined without an expansive knowledge in biology/anatomy.
I agree this chapter shows how much the study of the human anatomy can help us solve tragedies like the tragedy that occurred on flight TWA 800. Also we learn that by analyzing the burns Dr.Shanahan concluded that the most likely cause of what happened to the flight was that it blew up due to the levels oxygen that were highly flammable.
I agree that this chapter heavily focused on what happened to a human body that killed it. I thought it was pretty cool that they could tell what happened just by looking at how the injuries looked or what side they were mostly on.
I completely agree with you. I loved everything about this chapter too. This chapter taught me many things about the human body. I also found how Dr. Shanahan determined that it was a fire that caused the plane to crash extremely interesting and really cool.
I agree this chapter teaches how certain chains of events can change a human body and cause it to tell it's own tale. I myself also like to solve mysteries and what Dr. Shanahan is kinda like piecing things to together to solve a mystery.
I agree with you due to this chapter focusing on what happened to a human body that kills it. I thought it was interesting that the scientists could tell what happened to the corpse by analyzing the wounds
Yes, the human body can tell a lot about what happened in various circumstances. In this case, I think that people started to notice how useful cadavers really are in plane crashes and what they can reveal. In my opinion, the body is like a sponge that absorbs and records anything that happens to it one way or another.
This chapter of Stiff was less about cadavers and more about airplane deaths. For the most part I read about a man named Dennis Shanahan and his job. He is an injury analyst and he worked on this emotionally hard case where there was an airplane full of young couples and teenagers who were mostly intact after the crash. I found it interesting that there are ways that people survive by landing a certain way. For example, it was apparently a lot safer to land feet first when landing in water, on land, however, it seemed a lot harder to survive if you were high enough. This man's job and that entire case involved Biology to figure out what happened.
I agree with you that this chapter did not focus directly at cadavers, it focused more in airplanes crashes and what was the cause of the death of the people inside the plane.
I agree with everything said, but the only difference I see is that it is split into two topics, because in this chapter part of it is trying to figure out what caused the crash of TWA Flight 800 and the other is analyzing the damage done to the cadavers of the plane and comparing then to prior crashes. What amused me was how they tested on guinea pigs, also how they tested to see if your clothes can actually get blown off. They found out that it was possible for your clothes to get blown off. It was an interesting chapter to read.
I completely agreed with what you said. It definitely did not focus directly on cadavers for the most part. I also found the variety of experiments performed very interesting and felt that this was a very important chapter of "Stiff".
I agree with you Jazmin, you couldn't have said it any better. I liked how the chapter was lyed out. I too believe this was a very interesting chapter. i liked how the author took some focus off the cadavers for a while and put it onto the plane crash.
This chapter is very interesting, it talks about Dennis Shanahan whose job is to identify what was the cause of the death of the people onboard of TWA flight 800, but also talks about Sir Harold and him being the first crash investigator. I researched about the British Comet airplane and discovered why the planes disappeared in midair and only destroyed pieces and cadavers were found. A simple window design fail killed 426 passengers in 13 fatal crashes. But what really impressed me was how British authorities used cadavers to discover the cause of the crash, since most of the crashes were in the sea and the pieces of the plane were impossible to reach at the time, authorities used the floating cadavers to search for the cause of the accident. This relates to Biology because it shows that it is possible to solve problems using cadavers. I think this is a good representation of cadavers being used to discover a problem and help air safety safer for people.
I also think that cadavers are super useful in determining what happened. Any object can be destroyed or manipulated, but happens to the body can be revealing in regards to what happened. It is also for an entire body to be destroyed as even pieces can tell a big story.
I found this chapter of "stiff" interesting due to the fact that we were able to figure out what happened on TWA flight 800 which was as Dennis Shanah had figured out was that it blew up due to the fact that the oxygen was extremely flammable. this chapter pertains to biology in the fact that they examined the tissue and realizing that it was burned.
That was indeed a very interesting solution to the problem. I wouldn't have guessed that we would be able to find the exact cause through the bodies of others, as well as using cadavers to find out what happened.
I found this chapter interesting because it talked about a missing plane flight number 800 and how people in the airplane industry are trying to find 800. Experts don't know what the cause of the explosion was. There are conspiracies out there that a missile went through it or that there was a problem with the gas tank and it blew up. All they know was that all the people had burns on their bodies. The biology concepts that were addressed in this chapter was that if you go feet first out of a plane in 70 mph you will likely survive a plane incident.. This might not tie into our biology course but when I take physics it will tie into the concepts learned. My personal interpretation of this chapter is that flight 800 good of gone smoother. That the flight companies are people who only care about money and not the safety of their customers.
In this chapter I really enjoyed reading about the plane crash also. It was really cool how just by examining the human cadavers they were able to conclude the most probable cause of the plane explosion. Using cadavers in this way can very much help us examine things and come up with more precise conclusions or predictions.
Mystery always takes up the interest of a reader such as yourself and I also loved the mystery of the missing plane flight. Survival is always a good lesson in anatomy, I believe so maybe the concept you mentioned isn't only used in physics.
Mysteries are always taken into good consideration because it challenges the facts about human Biology, a plane could have crashed because of the pilot being unconscious, or maybe even there were bullet fragments in someones hand and someone was shot. These could all be figured out by studying the bodies of the subjects in that plane, which is represented in this chapter
I found this chapter very interesting because of the many ways that these human cadavers were able to be used in order to predict what actually happened to TWA Flight 800 when it exploded. Because of the indirect help that the cadavers gave scientists and crash investigators, the cause of the crash was able to be determined without really having much information to go off of. I also learned in this chapter a lot about the FAA and some of the precautions they have put into play regarding aircraft safety.
I also found this chapter interesting for that reason. they only have a cadaver to get information off of them yet they are able to find out so much. this chapter taught me some things about how the FAA works as well.
I enjoyed reading this chapter more than others because I found what Mr.Shanahan does very different. I think that him being able to find out what happened to cadavers after they died is so interesting. I’m not sure if what he does has to do with biology but It definitely has to do with science. The way he studies the remains of the people who died on the crash and then determines how he dies is something that really helps the way we live.
I agree with you when it comes to the skill of examining the factors that came across a deceased. It must be interesting having this skill as Mr. Shanahan does. But he definitely has to do with biology he examines the systems inside the cadaver including the skin which is the largest.
This chapter stood out to me because it deals with how the study of cadavers can help people learn about the cause of an airplane crash. Even though precaution is taken in safety airplane companies surely it's not kept up as well as it should be because a frayed wire was the reason for the crash. The study of the cadavers helped them by discovering where the burn marks where on the cadavers on the plane. Additionally, the investigators matched the cadavers to their seats on the plane and the dismemberment or lack of dismemberment helped them discover the source of the crash. In this chapter the biology concept address is investigating how the cadavers died. This year when we are going on trips into the bay and find dead sea creatures, we can use some of these same investigative techniques to find out how the sea creature died.
The chapter did stand out compared to the other chapters. It's unfortunate that the FAA won't accommodate more safety features in case of an airplane crash due to the budget. The way the were able to decipher how the plane crashes by observing the cadavers is really helpful to giving closure to the family of the deceased.
I found this chapter interesting because it concerns the human remains of mid-air disasters. She meets with many people to get more information about this topic. For example she meets with injury analyst Dennis Shanahan to investigate flight 800. And what the real shock was when the black box couldn't tell what happened during the flight so they ended up checking the "human wreckage". Then later on Roach tries to explain that they were looking for a bombing.
I agree, this chapter was not only very interesting but I enjoyed reading about her talk with Shanahan. I was also shocked by the fact that the black box wasn't able to tell the happening of the flight.
I was pretty amazed to read about all the things that indicate how crashes might have gone. Some i knew by common sense but a lot took me by surprise like the one with the thermal burns on the back instead of the front or the side, indicating that they got burned by the oil floating on the water instead of an actual explosion. I must say this was one of my favorite chapters because i liked how they went into detail about how one could determine what might of happened to people on an airplane. These studies also help plane companies to make planes more secure, though most won't because of budget reasons. These studies also help families find closure knowing how their family member died and so on.
I agree, I was also taken by surprise that one could determine if they got burned by the oil floating on the water or if it was caused by an explosion by observing where the thermal burns are located on their bodies to decipher a pattern. It would also be nice if planes could offer more security in case of an emergency during a flight, but unfortunately that won't be happening because of budget purposes.
Along with chapter one, this has to be one of my favorite chapters in the book. The human body really is fascinating. You could decipher how an airplane has crashed by looking at "the human wreckage". If the plane has fallen due to a bomb, you would find pieces of the shell of the bomb in some of the cadavers. You could also decipher if the chemical burns on the cadavers' bodies happened while the plane was crashing or after it has already crashed and hit the water. I would say this is my favorite chapter because it isn't as gruesome as other chapters yet it still gives you that mental image (which is very helpful when reading). The way Roach interprets everything is spectacular.
I also thought this chapter was interesting. I knew cadavers could take part in detective work, but I never knew it could help in big accidents like plane crashes. I agree that Roach's interpretations are fantastic, but I don't know too much about it not being too gruesome...
This chapter was very interesting because I thought it would be extremely difficult to determine the cause of death from disasters occurring in the air. The examples are truly unbelievable. When Dennis Shanahan investigated Flight 800. After all other possibilities don't add up, Shanahan concludes the passengers died from "extreme water impact". I couldn't believe what I was reading in this chapter. It was fascinating how Shanahan put all the pieces together and came down to the conclusion. This chapter was very informative and not as disturbing as some of the other chapters in the novel.
This chapter in Stiff proves that examining the bodies of the dead can lead to vital clues of what happened on the plane that caused it to crash. There was an emphasis on a downed plane that appeared to be brought down by a bomb or a missile according to some witnesses. BY examining the corpses, there were no foreign bodies in the skin or anywhere on the body so an explosion couldn't be possible. They did however find burnt marks on their back with a blue tint that turned out to be fuel. In the end, an electrical spark caused a fire in an engine causing system failure but it goes to show how much a dead corpse can tell in an investigation.
That's so true, the dead always has a story to tell about there death. I liked the concept you came up with about the explosion on a air plane sounds like something from a movie.
In Chapter 5 “Beyond The Black Box” The first thing i thought of when I read this chapter was, a black box collects data from an airplane crash to see what caused the incident and what the forces were on the airplane. But the title says 'beyond' the black box which means what really happened to the people that were in the airplane, because the bodies that were in the airplane were studies to see what kind of things happened to their bodies going through such forces. This really is fascinating because you can piece things together, if such and such happened then you could find out the corresponding after math of what made this airplane fall out of the sky.
This chapter wasn't that interesting in my opinion honestly .This chapter did not focus on cadavers, it focused on airplane deaths. It speaks of Dennis Shanahan , his job is to find what was the cause of the death of the people onboard of TWA flight 800 . The black box could not tell what happened on the flight so they called it a human wreckage. Shanahan concluded that the passengers died from extreme water impact.
I disagree with you on this. This chapter did focus on cadavers for a few parts in the chapter book. She explains in the book on how the cadavers can lead up to a clue on what happened in the incident. A biology perception is being used on this chapter.
What I found worth of note in chapter five of the book stiff is that, the author will meet up with a man named Dennis Shanahan. Mr. Shanahan is an injury analyst; he analyzes the wounds and breakages of corpses. He worked in the case of TWA Flight 800 which was bound for Paris but on July 17, 1996 the plane blew apart in the air over the Atlantic. Within days of this tragedy Shanahan flew to New York to visit the cadavers to see what mostly happen to them. The results of what had happened to flight TWA 800 was that the levels oxygen where highly flammable and most likely caused the explosion and burns found on most the corpses. The biology concepts that were addressed would be the study of the integumentary system because this system is made up of levels of the human skin that were likely to be studied in the case of the flight TWA 800 due to the burns found on the corpses. Also This would be learned in our biology class because the integumentary system is made up of levels of the skin such as the epidermis, the dermis, and hypodermis (hypodermis is the inner most layer of the skin.) And because of the integumentary system is made of these levels of skin I would think that we would be learning about this in our biology course.
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I liked a lot learning about the skin in this chapter. I find it interesting to know that our bodies have so many levels. In anatomy that will certainly be a topic we talk about.
DeleteWho could have known that a cadaver was use to see what happened to a cadaver in a accident. Its also shocking how if the body is in peaces that means that a bomb exploded.
DeleteThis chapter in stiff show just how much biology can help in solving crashes. This is important mainly because the family of who ever was injured/or killed will be able to know what happened. Also the company that manufactured the part or vehicle can fix the problem so it does not happen again.From the wreckage as in stiff of flight TWA 800 the injury analysis was able to look at the wounds of the cadavers and the wreckage of the vehicle the cadaver was in and he was able to piece together what happened.He was able to do this because he knew what happened to the human body when different things happened.This all deals with biology because what the injury analysis did was examine what happened to the body and figure out what went wrong and killed the person and in biology we would learn about the human body and how it works.
ReplyDeleteI agree that this story mainly focuses on how biology is used in ways to determine crime scenes- mainly flight 800. It's interesting how the stories play on our bodies and it would be lovely to learn how to read the language. Though, Forensics is the study of the death of a person. Biology is the study of a functioning body and how it ticks, So- technically this is a more forensic chapter since they are collecting information on how they died. Though, Forensics would be nothing without biology, so you have the point there.
DeleteI also found scientists studying bodies to fabricate what might of happened in a plane crash quite interesting too. It can be used as vital evidence if necessary and how to improve planes.
DeleteI think that flight TWA 800 investigation was a revolutionary one in my opinion. It's just a perfect example how cadavers are an excellent tool to find out any clues about what happened. Any evidence or clues may not be present, but a cadaver will always be there to provide information whether it's in pieces or if it's whole.
DeleteI will definably agree on this, the more that we study on why a crash happened or why looking at evidence lying somewhere in an airplane can save lives and reduce the effects of a crash happening again.
DeleteI found this chapter interesting because it lets me know how complex the human body really is. And how you can stitch together how some people passed away even if you don't know anything about what happened. How Shanahan eventually figured out what happened to TWA flight 800 and he didn't stop until his predictions made since. He inferred that it wasn't a bomb because there were no pieces of the bomb or things around the bomb embedded within the skin of the passengers. It wouldn't be a missile either because the backs of the passengers was burned and the seats would have protected their backs. So the only thing that would make since is a fire, the seats was burned more than the passengers. The biology concept that was addressed is observation, research, and predictions which ate parts of the scientific inquiry. I am confident that this will be used in our biology course because in science the scientific inquiry is used on a day to day basis. Since I have been in school I have used it in my science classes and in labs which I'm also sure we will be doing a lot of
ReplyDeleteI agree it really show that the human body is complex.The slightest thing out of place can be what lead the analyst to what actually happens.
DeleteI agree that this chapter really showed the complexity of the human body and that there are enough factors in any death that show up on the body, that it is possible to find when, where, and how someone died.
DeleteI agree with what you say. It also surprised me how you can find out what happened, just by looking at cadavers from the accident. It really put into detail how complex the human body is, and how so much can be learned from it.
DeleteI agree with the author of this post that the human body is really complex. The author did a really good job.
DeleteI agree with you that even a very small detail can lead to the outcome of the investigation and I agree that the human body is very complex. Also you did a good job.
DeleteThe body is indeed a very complex system. Mary did an extraordinary job discussing this in the book.
DeleteI agree that the body is very complex. I believe she did a very good job in explaining this in the book
DeleteI absolutely loved this chapter because of everything I learned about the human body and what things can be determined without even knowing what happened to the deceased. Knowing human anatomy and how the body can be affected and how it reacts to different impacts or events is a huge part of injury analysis, and vice versa. The way Dr. Shanahan determined a fire is what caused flight 800 to crash because of how the bodies weren't as burned as the actual plane and it's interior couldn't have been determined without an expansive knowledge in biology/anatomy.
ReplyDeleteI agree this chapter shows how much the study of the human anatomy can help us solve tragedies like the tragedy that occurred on flight TWA 800. Also we learn that by analyzing the burns Dr.Shanahan concluded that the most likely cause of what happened to the flight was that it blew up due to the levels oxygen that were highly flammable.
DeleteI agree that this chapter heavily focused on what happened to a human body that killed it. I thought it was pretty cool that they could tell what happened just by looking at how the injuries looked or what side they were mostly on.
DeleteI completely agree with you. I loved everything about this chapter too. This chapter taught me many things about the human body. I also found how Dr. Shanahan determined that it was a fire that caused the plane to crash extremely interesting and really cool.
DeleteI agree this chapter teaches how certain chains of events can change a human body and cause it to tell it's own tale. I myself also like to solve mysteries and what Dr. Shanahan is kinda like piecing things to together to solve a mystery.
DeleteI agree with you due to this chapter focusing on what happened to a human body that kills it. I thought it was interesting that the scientists could tell what happened to the corpse by analyzing the wounds
DeleteYes, the human body can tell a lot about what happened in various circumstances. In this case, I think that people started to notice how useful cadavers really are in plane crashes and what they can reveal. In my opinion, the body is like a sponge that absorbs and records anything that happens to it one way or another.
DeleteThis chapter of Stiff was less about cadavers and more about airplane deaths. For the most part I read about a man named Dennis Shanahan and his job. He is an injury analyst and he worked on this emotionally hard case where there was an airplane full of young couples and teenagers who were mostly intact after the crash. I found it interesting that there are ways that people survive by landing a certain way. For example, it was apparently a lot safer to land feet first when landing in water, on land, however, it seemed a lot harder to survive if you were high enough. This man's job and that entire case involved Biology to figure out what happened.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that this chapter did not focus directly at cadavers, it focused more in airplanes crashes and what was the cause of the death of the people inside the plane.
DeleteI agree with everything said, but the only difference I see is that it is split into two topics, because in this chapter part of it is trying to figure out what caused the crash of TWA Flight 800 and the other is analyzing the damage done to the cadavers of the plane and comparing then to prior crashes. What amused me was how they tested on guinea pigs, also how they tested to see if your clothes can actually get blown off. They found out that it was possible for your clothes to get blown off. It was an interesting chapter to read.
DeleteI also agree that this chapter was centered on the study of how a plane crash happened and why, not focusing on the cadavers themselves.
DeleteI completely agreed with what you said. It definitely did not focus directly on cadavers for the most part. I also found the variety of experiments performed very interesting and felt that this was a very important chapter of "Stiff".
DeleteI agree with you Jazmin, you couldn't have said it any better. I liked how the chapter was lyed out. I too believe this was a very interesting chapter. i liked how the author took some focus off the cadavers for a while and put it onto the plane crash.
DeleteThis chapter is very interesting, it talks about Dennis Shanahan whose job is to identify what was the cause of the death of the people onboard of TWA flight 800, but also talks about Sir Harold and him being the first crash investigator. I researched about the British Comet airplane and discovered why the planes disappeared in midair and only destroyed pieces and cadavers were found. A simple window design fail killed 426 passengers in 13 fatal crashes. But what really impressed me was how British authorities used cadavers to discover the cause of the crash, since most of the crashes were in the sea and the pieces of the plane were impossible to reach at the time, authorities used the floating cadavers to search for the cause of the accident. This relates to Biology because it shows that it is possible to solve problems using cadavers. I think this is a good representation of cadavers being used to discover a problem and help air safety safer for people.
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DeleteI also think that cadavers are super useful in determining what happened. Any object can be destroyed or manipulated, but happens to the body can be revealing in regards to what happened. It is also for an entire body to be destroyed as even pieces can tell a big story.
DeleteI found this chapter of "stiff" interesting due to the fact that we were able to figure out what happened on TWA flight 800 which was as Dennis Shanah had figured out was that it blew up due to the fact that the oxygen was extremely flammable. this chapter pertains to biology in the fact that they examined the tissue and realizing that it was burned.
ReplyDeleteThat was indeed a very interesting solution to the problem. I wouldn't have guessed that we would be able to find the exact cause through the bodies of others, as well as using cadavers to find out what happened.
DeleteI found this chapter interesting because it talked about a missing plane flight number 800 and how people in the airplane industry are trying to find 800. Experts don't know what the cause of the explosion was. There are conspiracies out there that a missile went through it or that there was a problem with the gas tank and it blew up. All they know was that all the people had burns on their bodies.
ReplyDeleteThe biology concepts that were addressed in this chapter was that if you go feet first out of a plane in 70 mph you will likely survive a plane incident.. This might not tie into our biology course but when I take physics it will tie into the concepts learned.
My personal interpretation of this chapter is that flight 800 good of gone smoother. That the flight companies are people who only care about money and not the safety of their customers.
In this chapter I really enjoyed reading about the plane crash also. It was really cool how just by examining the human cadavers they were able to conclude the most probable cause of the plane explosion. Using cadavers in this way can very much help us examine things and come up with more precise conclusions or predictions.
DeleteMystery always takes up the interest of a reader such as yourself and I also loved the mystery of the missing plane flight. Survival is always a good lesson in anatomy, I believe so maybe the concept you mentioned isn't only used in physics.
DeleteMysteries are always taken into good consideration because it challenges the facts about human Biology, a plane could have crashed because of the pilot being unconscious, or maybe even there were bullet fragments in someones hand and someone was shot. These could all be figured out by studying the bodies of the subjects in that plane, which is represented in this chapter
DeleteI found this chapter very interesting because of the many ways that these human cadavers were able to be used in order to predict what actually happened to TWA Flight 800 when it exploded. Because of the indirect help that the cadavers gave scientists and crash investigators, the cause of the crash was able to be determined without really having much information to go off of. I also learned in this chapter a lot about the FAA and some of the precautions they have put into play regarding aircraft safety.
ReplyDeleteI also found this chapter interesting for that reason. they only have a cadaver to get information off of them yet they are able to find out so much. this chapter taught me some things about how the FAA works as well.
DeleteI was fascinated as well on how cadavers were used to predict the outcome of the TWA Flight. This really shows how cadavers supported science.
DeleteI agree, it is amazing to see how cadavers and the human body can be used to figure things like the cause of a plane crash.
ReplyDeleteI agree that i did learn alot from this chapter. the writer was very descriptive in his writing
DeleteI enjoyed reading this chapter more than others because I found what Mr.Shanahan does very different. I think that him being able to find out what happened to cadavers after they died is so interesting. I’m not sure if what he does has to do with biology but It definitely has to do with science. The way he studies the remains of the people who died on the crash and then determines how he dies is something that really helps the way we live.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when it comes to the skill of examining the factors that came across a deceased. It must be interesting having this skill as Mr. Shanahan does. But he definitely has to do with biology he examines the systems inside the cadaver including the skin which is the largest.
DeleteThis chapter stood out to me because it deals with how the study of cadavers can help people learn about the cause of an airplane crash. Even though precaution is taken in safety airplane companies surely it's not kept up as well as it should be because a frayed wire was the reason for the crash. The study of the cadavers helped them by discovering where the burn marks where on the cadavers on the plane. Additionally, the investigators matched the cadavers to their seats on the plane and the dismemberment or lack of dismemberment helped them discover the source of the crash. In this chapter the biology concept address is investigating how the cadavers died. This year when we are going on trips into the bay and find dead sea creatures, we can use some of these same investigative techniques to find out how the sea creature died.
ReplyDeleteThe chapter did stand out compared to the other chapters. It's unfortunate that the FAA won't accommodate more safety features in case of an airplane crash due to the budget. The way the were able to decipher how the plane crashes by observing the cadavers is really helpful to giving closure to the family of the deceased.
DeleteI found this chapter interesting because it concerns the human remains of mid-air disasters. She meets with many people to get more information about this topic. For example she meets with injury analyst Dennis Shanahan to investigate flight 800. And what the real shock was when the black box couldn't tell what happened during the flight so they ended up checking the "human wreckage". Then later on Roach tries to explain that they were looking for a bombing.
ReplyDeleteI agree, this chapter was not only very interesting but I enjoyed reading about her talk with Shanahan. I was also shocked by the fact that the black box wasn't able to tell the happening of the flight.
DeleteI was pretty amazed to read about all the things that indicate how crashes might have gone. Some i knew by common sense but a lot took me by surprise like the one with the thermal burns on the back instead of the front or the side, indicating that they got burned by the oil floating on the water instead of an actual explosion. I must say this was one of my favorite chapters because i liked how they went into detail about how one could determine what might of happened to people on an airplane. These studies also help plane companies to make planes more secure, though most won't because of budget reasons. These studies also help families find closure knowing how their family member died and so on.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I was also taken by surprise that one could determine if they got burned by the oil floating on the water or if it was caused by an explosion by observing where the thermal burns are located on their bodies to decipher a pattern. It would also be nice if planes could offer more security in case of an emergency during a flight, but unfortunately that won't be happening because of budget purposes.
DeleteI agree I didn't like how they didn't improve their equipment because that wouldn't help them to make money . that seemed pretty selfish to me.
DeleteAlong with chapter one, this has to be one of my favorite chapters in the book. The human body really is fascinating. You could decipher how an airplane has crashed by looking at "the human wreckage". If the plane has fallen due to a bomb, you would find pieces of the shell of the bomb in some of the cadavers. You could also decipher if the chemical burns on the cadavers' bodies happened while the plane was crashing or after it has already crashed and hit the water. I would say this is my favorite chapter because it isn't as gruesome as other chapters yet it still gives you that mental image (which is very helpful when reading). The way Roach interprets everything is spectacular.
ReplyDeleteI also thought this chapter was interesting. I knew cadavers could take part in detective work, but I never knew it could help in big accidents like plane crashes. I agree that Roach's interpretations are fantastic, but I don't know too much about it not being too gruesome...
DeleteThis chapter was very interesting because I thought it would be extremely difficult to determine the cause of death from disasters occurring in the air. The examples are truly unbelievable. When Dennis Shanahan investigated Flight 800. After all other possibilities don't add up, Shanahan concludes the passengers died from "extreme water impact". I couldn't believe what I was reading in this chapter. It was fascinating how Shanahan put all the pieces together and came down to the conclusion. This chapter was very informative and not as disturbing as some of the other chapters in the novel.
ReplyDeleteThis chapter in Stiff proves that examining the bodies of the dead can lead to vital clues of what happened on the plane that caused it to crash. There was an emphasis on a downed plane that appeared to be brought down by a bomb or a missile according to some witnesses. BY examining the corpses, there were no foreign bodies in the skin or anywhere on the body so an explosion couldn't be possible. They did however find burnt marks on their back with a blue tint that turned out to be fuel. In the end, an electrical spark caused a fire in an engine causing system failure but it goes to show how much a dead corpse can tell in an investigation.
ReplyDeleteThat's so true, the dead always has a story to tell about there death. I liked the concept you came up with about the explosion on a air plane sounds like something from a movie.
DeleteIn Chapter 5 “Beyond The Black Box” The first thing i thought of when I read this chapter was, a black box collects data from an airplane crash to see what caused the incident and what the forces were on the airplane. But the title says 'beyond' the black box which means what really happened to the people that were in the airplane, because the bodies that were in the airplane were studies to see what kind of things happened to their bodies going through such forces. This really is fascinating because you can piece things together, if such and such happened then you could find out the corresponding after math of what made this airplane fall out of the sky.
ReplyDeleteThis chapter wasn't that interesting in my opinion honestly .This chapter did not focus on cadavers, it focused on airplane deaths. It speaks of Dennis Shanahan , his job is to find what was the cause of the death of the people onboard of TWA flight 800 . The black box could not tell what happened on the flight so they called it a human wreckage. Shanahan concluded that the passengers died from extreme water impact.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you on this. This chapter did focus on cadavers for a few parts in the chapter book. She explains in the book on how the cadavers can lead up to a clue on what happened in the incident. A biology perception is being used on this chapter.
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